THE CONTINUUM
A conversation between Flaviu Rizeanu and "VOFLAG" has marked a turning point in my life, and opened new vistas of awareness and understanding. The meaning of "VOFLAG" is revealed herein and is also Gary Smith.
The dialog may have some oddities, because it is combined (not all sequentially) from inter-actions over a longer period.
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ONE OF THE INFINITE SIDES OF TRUTH
Gary Smith
On 'this side' of the supposed Veil, there is a Flow of Life, of apparently separated objects and events. On the 'other side', the unseen realm sometimes called the Void, there is not.
According to the new science of Biocentrism, based on quantum theory, beyond the organized hologram of reality projected by the brain, is a fuzzy state of probabilities. And yet, there is no veil, no beyond, and the two 'sides' are one. Biocentrism describes that unity as a continuum.
Flaviu
Whatever story is assembled there about truth... it's just a story showing one of the infinite sides of the truth. As long as one does not cling to a specific view as being the only truth, one remains free of attachments. The more points of view one is able to accept and integrate, the more close to the ever changing nature of the truth one is.
Gary
Yes! That is the track Gary Flow has been on for awhile, making his perspective more complete by viewing all perspectives neutrally and integrating them as a natural process.
He concludes that there is wisdom in forming no conclusions, and that includes defending no beliefs or viewpoints. He likes to say, "All statements, including this one, are from a partial and limited perspective. Integrating other views make my perspective more round."
We say Flow as a metaphor, yes? Because where there is no time or space, how can there be Flow? So "flow" can only apply to a time/space/sensory experience, which is an apparent separation. And where does Love come into this picture?
Flaviu
🙂 We who? Remember and apply also the non-self principle. Yes.. there is no flow 🙂. Love... is the support of Life.
There cannot be a discussion from a non-self perspective... only from a self perspective..
If the I wants something, it is because what you call the 'flow of life' moves what you call an "I" to want something.
There is no "I" 🙂
If you speak as the flow of life, YOU identify with the flow of life and become separated of "everything which is not flow of life". This is still the ego-identification.
When identified with something, with Anything, you become that and express something from that perspective.
Gary
VOFLAG
the VOid/Flow of Life As Gary
CONTINUUM
Unity of Flow/Void
Flaviu
❤ it seems you have found the impersonal higher self ❤ from which Gary radiates as one with AllThatIs.
IDENTIFICATION WITH SEPARATION OR ONENESS
Gary
While reviewing our conversation, VOFLAG came across this:
Flaviu
"If you speak as the flow of life YOU identify with the flow of life and become separated of "everything which is not flow of life". This is the ego-identification.
"When identified with something, with Anything, you become that and express something from that perspective."
Later,
Gary wrote:
Identifying with the Void/Flow of Life rather than with self, frees Gary from the grip of the world and its suffering. Resistance towards the world (human society, mass consciousness, and individual pain) holds Gary in its grip.
'The Void/Flow of Life as Gary' experiences oneness with life, and freedom from the pain of the world, when resistance is relaxed into acceptance, and self is unified with non-self.
Q: When identified with VOFLAG, is this ego identification? Or, since there is nothing that is NOT the Void/Flow of Life, does this bypass separation?
The Void/Flow of Life is the non-self/self?
Flaviu
Yes you observed correctly.... ANY identification with Anything (if doesn't include as well the opposite) is ego identification.
VOFLAG, your term, contains simultaneously and instantly, as you say, both opposite poles of the apparent polarities (both dualities of the separation) and thus uniting the two separations in and as Oneness and considering thus the Oneness as real and the separations as illusory.
However if one identifies with VOFLAG but does not identify with something which is not VOFLAG, separation is maintained (for example, considering that VOFLAG is real AND something else which is not VOFLAG is not real but is an illusion). Then identification with one pole is still present, and identification with the other pole is not present, separation exists and ego-identification still occurs separating the two polarities.
If "the void" is one with "the self" meaning a separated self is non-existent, there is no ego identification or separation. But if the self is separated of the no-self and one thinks/feels about him"self" as a self rather than a NO-SELF (United as One with the no-self) then obviously separation is still there, and the self is considered real instead of illusory.
Yes, when "the Void" is realized as no-self AND the flow of Life is AllThatItIs, they are one without separation, Oneness is realized.
Therefore when one is expressing within duality and not in oneness there are always two polarities and even Oneness is expressed as the opposite of "the absence of Oneness".
Oneness is rather integrating both opposite polarities (all polarities as one) than identifying only with one of them. This can happen even when one expresses only one polarity if the awareness of no-separation is present.
It's a subtle distinction between speaking as Separation or as Oneness.
Oneness is always there even if separation thinks/feels about itself as being separated. Only the awareness of the self-identification process makes the difference.
Gary
You wrote, "However if one identifies with VOFLAG but does not identify with something which is not VOFLAG, separation is maintained (for example, considering that VOFLAG is real AND something else which is not VOFLAG is not real but is an illusion). "
VOFLAG is "As Gary", so there is a distinction between VOFLAK "As Kati"
or VOFLAF "As Flavius".
But these are distinctions, not separations. Or, they are APPARENT illusions of separation.
The Void/Flow of Life is One. Nothing can be outside The Continuum (the unity of the Void and the Flow of Life) -- nothing, not even nothing, can be separated from it.
NO SEPARATION MEANS NO SUFFERING
Flaviu
The idea is that awareness of the Oneness of the Flow AND the Void, or whatever two polarities may appear in the flow, should be maintained.
If this awareness fades away, then it will be an identification with one side only and the other side will be perceived as "not me" -- starting the loop of ego identification and suffering.
The entire concept of no-Self has actually only one applied purpose. If there is no self there is no one who can suffer...
So a state without labeling and separation is a selfless state where suffering cannot cling on any "I am" structure, because this structure is non existent.
Gary
Identifying with the Void/Flow of Life rather than with self, frees Gary from the grip of the world and its suffering. Resistance towards the world (human society, mass consciousness, and individual pain) holds Gary in its grip.
'The Void/Flow of Life as Gary' experiences oneness with life, and freedom from the pain of the world, when resistance is relaxed into acceptance, and self is unified with non-self.
Flaviu
Yes, in the game that we play as being separated, the "I" is a way in which AllThatIs / Oneness limits itself and becomes an individuality expressing something towards another apparently ego-identification. So one can say that "I am separated" is a convention to play and communicate between the separations.
Yes, AllThatIs expresses itself through every single apparently separated individuality.
There is no separation between AllThatIs and Flaviu. There is no separation between AllThatIs and Gary...
However in order to play this game Flaviu and Gary are separated individualities.
Gary
Identification with non-self/self unity begins for 'the Void/Flow of Life as Gary', by identifying himself as such, with the void/flow of life. It continues with non-labeling, that is, not giving in to the temptation to analyze, dissect, intellectualize or conclude. Fixed facts don't flow. Labeling separates. No labeling, no separation.
Flaviu
Gary/Flaviu uses concepts.
Gary/Flaviu uses mind.
There is no separation between the flow of life and "mind and concepts".
"Beyond mind and concept" is a concept.
Describing a state requires labels separation and concepts.
In the no-mind state there is nothing to label and transmit and no one to transmit because all is One.
By denying or blaming ego mind (even separation) and concepts, one creates more separation... by accepting them as One and None simultaneously, separation ends and Oneness occurs spontaneously (after a lot of effort towards this realization, reason for which concepts help, mind helps, everything helps and contributes towards this realization.)
There are no different types of Oneness 🙂 but there are countless ways to describe it, even through paradoxical and antagonistic points of view.
Oneness is indeed spontaneous because it can happen only here and now.
The way to the no-Self and experiencing Oneness through it is a way using mind which is familiar to individuality... the paradoxical logic of no-mind leads to dissolution of the self, which is Love and the support of Life, when One find itSelf as AllThatIs and NoneThatItIs
The indication for a separated individuality that it has realized the no-Self and is One with AllThatItIs is in that moment when one really feels itSelf as one with AllThatItIs, as true and undeniable that "I am this" feeling and as true as "I am not" feeling. A feeling (a cumul of sensations) is real. A concept is an illusion based on analyzing, labeling and processing sensations.
Here is when feeling (as sensations) precede concepts as "truth".
Gary
VOFLAG
the VOid/Flow of Life As Gary
Flaviu
❤ it seems you have found the impersonal higher self ❤ from which Gary radiates as one with AllThatIs.
Gary Smith
On 'this side' of the supposed Veil, there is a Flow of Life, of apparently separated objects and events. On the 'other side', the unseen realm sometimes called the Void, there is not.
According to the new science of Biocentrism, based on quantum theory, beyond the organized hologram of reality projected by the brain, is a fuzzy state of probabilities. And yet, there is no veil, no beyond, and the two 'sides' are one. Biocentrism describes that unity as a continuum.
Flaviu
Whatever story is assembled there about truth... it's just a story showing one of the infinite sides of the truth. As long as one does not cling to a specific view as being the only truth, one remains free of attachments. The more points of view one is able to accept and integrate, the more close to the ever changing nature of the truth one is.
Gary
Yes! That is the track Gary Flow has been on for awhile, making his perspective more complete by viewing all perspectives neutrally and integrating them as a natural process.
He concludes that there is wisdom in forming no conclusions, and that includes defending no beliefs or viewpoints. He likes to say, "All statements, including this one, are from a partial and limited perspective. Integrating other views make my perspective more round."
We say Flow as a metaphor, yes? Because where there is no time or space, how can there be Flow? So "flow" can only apply to a time/space/sensory experience, which is an apparent separation. And where does Love come into this picture?
Flaviu
🙂 We who? Remember and apply also the non-self principle. Yes.. there is no flow 🙂. Love... is the support of Life.
There cannot be a discussion from a non-self perspective... only from a self perspective..
If the I wants something, it is because what you call the 'flow of life' moves what you call an "I" to want something.
There is no "I" 🙂
If you speak as the flow of life, YOU identify with the flow of life and become separated of "everything which is not flow of life". This is still the ego-identification.
When identified with something, with Anything, you become that and express something from that perspective.
Gary
VOFLAG
the VOid/Flow of Life As Gary
CONTINUUM
Unity of Flow/Void
Flaviu
❤ it seems you have found the impersonal higher self ❤ from which Gary radiates as one with AllThatIs.
IDENTIFICATION WITH SEPARATION OR ONENESS
Gary
While reviewing our conversation, VOFLAG came across this:
Flaviu
"If you speak as the flow of life YOU identify with the flow of life and become separated of "everything which is not flow of life". This is the ego-identification.
"When identified with something, with Anything, you become that and express something from that perspective."
Later,
Gary wrote:
Identifying with the Void/Flow of Life rather than with self, frees Gary from the grip of the world and its suffering. Resistance towards the world (human society, mass consciousness, and individual pain) holds Gary in its grip.
'The Void/Flow of Life as Gary' experiences oneness with life, and freedom from the pain of the world, when resistance is relaxed into acceptance, and self is unified with non-self.
Q: When identified with VOFLAG, is this ego identification? Or, since there is nothing that is NOT the Void/Flow of Life, does this bypass separation?
The Void/Flow of Life is the non-self/self?
Flaviu
Yes you observed correctly.... ANY identification with Anything (if doesn't include as well the opposite) is ego identification.
VOFLAG, your term, contains simultaneously and instantly, as you say, both opposite poles of the apparent polarities (both dualities of the separation) and thus uniting the two separations in and as Oneness and considering thus the Oneness as real and the separations as illusory.
However if one identifies with VOFLAG but does not identify with something which is not VOFLAG, separation is maintained (for example, considering that VOFLAG is real AND something else which is not VOFLAG is not real but is an illusion). Then identification with one pole is still present, and identification with the other pole is not present, separation exists and ego-identification still occurs separating the two polarities.
If "the void" is one with "the self" meaning a separated self is non-existent, there is no ego identification or separation. But if the self is separated of the no-self and one thinks/feels about him"self" as a self rather than a NO-SELF (United as One with the no-self) then obviously separation is still there, and the self is considered real instead of illusory.
Yes, when "the Void" is realized as no-self AND the flow of Life is AllThatItIs, they are one without separation, Oneness is realized.
Therefore when one is expressing within duality and not in oneness there are always two polarities and even Oneness is expressed as the opposite of "the absence of Oneness".
Oneness is rather integrating both opposite polarities (all polarities as one) than identifying only with one of them. This can happen even when one expresses only one polarity if the awareness of no-separation is present.
It's a subtle distinction between speaking as Separation or as Oneness.
Oneness is always there even if separation thinks/feels about itself as being separated. Only the awareness of the self-identification process makes the difference.
Gary
You wrote, "However if one identifies with VOFLAG but does not identify with something which is not VOFLAG, separation is maintained (for example, considering that VOFLAG is real AND something else which is not VOFLAG is not real but is an illusion). "
VOFLAG is "As Gary", so there is a distinction between VOFLAK "As Kati"
or VOFLAF "As Flavius".
But these are distinctions, not separations. Or, they are APPARENT illusions of separation.
The Void/Flow of Life is One. Nothing can be outside The Continuum (the unity of the Void and the Flow of Life) -- nothing, not even nothing, can be separated from it.
NO SEPARATION MEANS NO SUFFERING
Flaviu
The idea is that awareness of the Oneness of the Flow AND the Void, or whatever two polarities may appear in the flow, should be maintained.
If this awareness fades away, then it will be an identification with one side only and the other side will be perceived as "not me" -- starting the loop of ego identification and suffering.
The entire concept of no-Self has actually only one applied purpose. If there is no self there is no one who can suffer...
So a state without labeling and separation is a selfless state where suffering cannot cling on any "I am" structure, because this structure is non existent.
Gary
Identifying with the Void/Flow of Life rather than with self, frees Gary from the grip of the world and its suffering. Resistance towards the world (human society, mass consciousness, and individual pain) holds Gary in its grip.
'The Void/Flow of Life as Gary' experiences oneness with life, and freedom from the pain of the world, when resistance is relaxed into acceptance, and self is unified with non-self.
Flaviu
Yes, in the game that we play as being separated, the "I" is a way in which AllThatIs / Oneness limits itself and becomes an individuality expressing something towards another apparently ego-identification. So one can say that "I am separated" is a convention to play and communicate between the separations.
Yes, AllThatIs expresses itself through every single apparently separated individuality.
There is no separation between AllThatIs and Flaviu. There is no separation between AllThatIs and Gary...
However in order to play this game Flaviu and Gary are separated individualities.
Gary
Identification with non-self/self unity begins for 'the Void/Flow of Life as Gary', by identifying himself as such, with the void/flow of life. It continues with non-labeling, that is, not giving in to the temptation to analyze, dissect, intellectualize or conclude. Fixed facts don't flow. Labeling separates. No labeling, no separation.
Flaviu
Gary/Flaviu uses concepts.
Gary/Flaviu uses mind.
There is no separation between the flow of life and "mind and concepts".
"Beyond mind and concept" is a concept.
Describing a state requires labels separation and concepts.
In the no-mind state there is nothing to label and transmit and no one to transmit because all is One.
By denying or blaming ego mind (even separation) and concepts, one creates more separation... by accepting them as One and None simultaneously, separation ends and Oneness occurs spontaneously (after a lot of effort towards this realization, reason for which concepts help, mind helps, everything helps and contributes towards this realization.)
There are no different types of Oneness 🙂 but there are countless ways to describe it, even through paradoxical and antagonistic points of view.
Oneness is indeed spontaneous because it can happen only here and now.
The way to the no-Self and experiencing Oneness through it is a way using mind which is familiar to individuality... the paradoxical logic of no-mind leads to dissolution of the self, which is Love and the support of Life, when One find itSelf as AllThatIs and NoneThatItIs
The indication for a separated individuality that it has realized the no-Self and is One with AllThatItIs is in that moment when one really feels itSelf as one with AllThatItIs, as true and undeniable that "I am this" feeling and as true as "I am not" feeling. A feeling (a cumul of sensations) is real. A concept is an illusion based on analyzing, labeling and processing sensations.
Here is when feeling (as sensations) precede concepts as "truth".
Gary
VOFLAG
the VOid/Flow of Life As Gary
Flaviu
❤ it seems you have found the impersonal higher self ❤ from which Gary radiates as one with AllThatIs.
A response to my META-STATE post shows how any approach to experiencing oneness consciousness over the intellect, beliefs, teachings, trainings or techniques (such as meditation) keeps the seeker in a seeking...not finding enough...not being satisfied loop.
It also shows the ineffectiveness of pointing at what is beyond separation, from a place of separation and ego-identification.
For this realization, the non-existent I, or rather the flow of life as me, is grateful.
COMMENT ON META-STATE
Questions [fragments from a longer self inquiry by Gary R. Smith] answered below by HFCwanMoO through #flaviuRizeanu
Q [Gary]: [...] is the self preserving after death? Is the consciousness eternal?
A [ #HFCwanMoO through flaviu rizeanu]:
Yes, your insight is deep.. the only perspective which is not described in your introspection and analysis (maybe because it was not experienced directly by your sense of self-identity) is the one which points at the non-I / no-mind / no-Self...
When Oneness is experienced at first hand, the sense of self-identification "I am this but I am not that" disappears because, as you intellectually understand, there is no separation in Oneness. This experience reveals that all the illusions are based upon the first illusion of separation: the self identity as being separated from everything else. So.. one realizes (from this perspective) that there is no actual Self (separated from AllThatIs) but the next logical question that arises to mind is: "but who or what is that which observes the illusion of the self being separated from AllThatIs?" And this question like any other question asked and answered in duality (as not in Oneness) has 2 opposite answers:
- either there is a sense of self (the vessel of consciousness in which everything arises and dissolves including any self-identification with any form)
- or any sense of self is an illusion and the self identification process is just a function of the "AllThatIs Oneness consciousness"
In both cases there is and there is not a sense of self simultaneously -- depending on how the self identification function is defined.
From this perspective which holds as valid both of apparently opposite truths, it looks like even while a human being is alive, is also not alive, is living and dying in the same time, and the self can be identified with the human form or with the AllThatIs form... or with "no-I" / "no - self " form which is impersonal and detached...
The consciousness just is. The self (as a self identification function of the counciusness) appears and disappears based on the specifics of the consciousness flow.
Hope this "point of view" will add itself to the existing ones and make some sense in your quest of integrating a 360 degree perspective for the self "you" identify "yourself" with.
I've use quotes on "you" and "yourself" terms just to suggest also the non-I / no self perspective that "I" maintain while expressing a no self perspective through a self-identification perspective which apparently separates "us"...
This must be experienced... these words can only point to the no-I / no-Self / no mind in which Oneness is revealed as AllThatIs without separation (with the sense of self being present and absent simultaneously)
<3
So your question about if "a sense of self is preserved after the death of the human body", can be answered while you are still alive... you self define yourself as a human body (and soul).. while you already are a AllThatIs conciusness in which all the forms arise and dissolute... from this point of view by only shifting the definition of what and who you are you already answered in your question... only the assumption that you are a soul that has a human body or a solid "I am" is keeping the illusion that a self identity can dissolute or not at the death of the human body.
But if you understand and know that you are not only the human body but the experience of this reality as it is, then the question receives an answer because you already shifted your identification from a human body to a "reality body of AllThatIs" and this happened while you were still identified also with the human body.. it's an interesting paradox quite difficult to wrap your mind around intellectually if you think with absolute values of truth and false instead of thinking with relative systems of belief as flexible references. But once experienced (not only intellectualized) it makes crystal clear sense.
Regarding your question "is consciousness eternal"?
The question is somehow wrong because it implies a sense of time (eternal = everlasting in time) while the consciousness is only one moment here and now without the illusion of continuous time... in the only present moment there is a memory of the "past" but more like a story in the present that gives "you" a frame and context to self identify in the convention of the space-time story... So.. while consciousness is always here and now and thus may appear eternal, the sense of self identification is not eternal and is not continuous as humans assume... the concept of past and future lifes (identities) as belonging to oneSelf (oversoul) is a spiritual concept which does not integrate the "no-self" perspective thus still preserving separation.
Also humans define personalities for one body just to justify that "the same I am" can act differently at different moments in time... when actually there are different "I am" that manifest differently (they actually appear and disappear) and create the illusion of personalities of a single fixed "I am" which persists and changes/looks and acts differently over time...
The human form as body and mind shifts continuously every moment through countless dimensions creating the illusion of continuous time and the illusion (reality) of a solid space and self.
Sometimes the self-identification function of the consciousness identifies itself with "I am" and sometimes with "I am not" like in death coma or deep sleep, sleep walking or acting as "not being myself"... thus concluding that while the consciousness (in which the sense of self appears) is sort of eternal (like here and now eternal) the sense of self is not preserving always in the consciousness but rather appears and disappears fast enough to create the illusion of a continous solid self in a time-space reality.
This message is manifested for "YOU" as an apparently separated individuality, through Flaviu Rizeanu form (as another apparently separated individuality) from the "Hyperion Felix Christ Without a Name Manifestation of One" branch of consciousness which is another "higher self / oversoul" individuality separation of the One Source of AllThatIs
Does this make at least any kind of sense to "you"? <3
Gary
Flow of Life as Flaviu,
Thank you again for sharing such clarity and insight. I have read and re-read. It leaves me with a question:
1. "But once experienced (not only intellectualized) it makes crystal clear sense."
Q: How can I experience this?
Flaviu
The "I" as an "ego self-identification" cannot experience the "non-I"...
It's impossible because it tries to be something which is not by its own definition.
Only by non obstructing the Flow of Life by realizing a Clear Channel state by fully accepting "that which is" here and now, the "I" melts into full acceptance and "disappears" becoming a "non-I" which is the experience that the ego seeks as a sort of enlightenment or spiritual achievement and the state of non-I and unity without separation with AllThatIs is realized.
This state is not different than what "you" truly are... only the point of view and the self identification changes and becomes very flexible, not clinging on anything, not resisting to the reality of "here and now", not craving for something different...
Thank you for your thought provoking questions! That's the way consciousness integrates different ways of looking at "the truth".
Here is more about this:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2666680506939284&id=100007920827740
🙂 Yes, the flow of Life is strong as "you" ❤
It also shows the ineffectiveness of pointing at what is beyond separation, from a place of separation and ego-identification.
For this realization, the non-existent I, or rather the flow of life as me, is grateful.
COMMENT ON META-STATE
Questions [fragments from a longer self inquiry by Gary R. Smith] answered below by HFCwanMoO through #flaviuRizeanu
Q [Gary]: [...] is the self preserving after death? Is the consciousness eternal?
A [ #HFCwanMoO through flaviu rizeanu]:
Yes, your insight is deep.. the only perspective which is not described in your introspection and analysis (maybe because it was not experienced directly by your sense of self-identity) is the one which points at the non-I / no-mind / no-Self...
When Oneness is experienced at first hand, the sense of self-identification "I am this but I am not that" disappears because, as you intellectually understand, there is no separation in Oneness. This experience reveals that all the illusions are based upon the first illusion of separation: the self identity as being separated from everything else. So.. one realizes (from this perspective) that there is no actual Self (separated from AllThatIs) but the next logical question that arises to mind is: "but who or what is that which observes the illusion of the self being separated from AllThatIs?" And this question like any other question asked and answered in duality (as not in Oneness) has 2 opposite answers:
- either there is a sense of self (the vessel of consciousness in which everything arises and dissolves including any self-identification with any form)
- or any sense of self is an illusion and the self identification process is just a function of the "AllThatIs Oneness consciousness"
In both cases there is and there is not a sense of self simultaneously -- depending on how the self identification function is defined.
From this perspective which holds as valid both of apparently opposite truths, it looks like even while a human being is alive, is also not alive, is living and dying in the same time, and the self can be identified with the human form or with the AllThatIs form... or with "no-I" / "no - self " form which is impersonal and detached...
The consciousness just is. The self (as a self identification function of the counciusness) appears and disappears based on the specifics of the consciousness flow.
Hope this "point of view" will add itself to the existing ones and make some sense in your quest of integrating a 360 degree perspective for the self "you" identify "yourself" with.
I've use quotes on "you" and "yourself" terms just to suggest also the non-I / no self perspective that "I" maintain while expressing a no self perspective through a self-identification perspective which apparently separates "us"...
This must be experienced... these words can only point to the no-I / no-Self / no mind in which Oneness is revealed as AllThatIs without separation (with the sense of self being present and absent simultaneously)
<3
So your question about if "a sense of self is preserved after the death of the human body", can be answered while you are still alive... you self define yourself as a human body (and soul).. while you already are a AllThatIs conciusness in which all the forms arise and dissolute... from this point of view by only shifting the definition of what and who you are you already answered in your question... only the assumption that you are a soul that has a human body or a solid "I am" is keeping the illusion that a self identity can dissolute or not at the death of the human body.
But if you understand and know that you are not only the human body but the experience of this reality as it is, then the question receives an answer because you already shifted your identification from a human body to a "reality body of AllThatIs" and this happened while you were still identified also with the human body.. it's an interesting paradox quite difficult to wrap your mind around intellectually if you think with absolute values of truth and false instead of thinking with relative systems of belief as flexible references. But once experienced (not only intellectualized) it makes crystal clear sense.
Regarding your question "is consciousness eternal"?
The question is somehow wrong because it implies a sense of time (eternal = everlasting in time) while the consciousness is only one moment here and now without the illusion of continuous time... in the only present moment there is a memory of the "past" but more like a story in the present that gives "you" a frame and context to self identify in the convention of the space-time story... So.. while consciousness is always here and now and thus may appear eternal, the sense of self identification is not eternal and is not continuous as humans assume... the concept of past and future lifes (identities) as belonging to oneSelf (oversoul) is a spiritual concept which does not integrate the "no-self" perspective thus still preserving separation.
Also humans define personalities for one body just to justify that "the same I am" can act differently at different moments in time... when actually there are different "I am" that manifest differently (they actually appear and disappear) and create the illusion of personalities of a single fixed "I am" which persists and changes/looks and acts differently over time...
The human form as body and mind shifts continuously every moment through countless dimensions creating the illusion of continuous time and the illusion (reality) of a solid space and self.
Sometimes the self-identification function of the consciousness identifies itself with "I am" and sometimes with "I am not" like in death coma or deep sleep, sleep walking or acting as "not being myself"... thus concluding that while the consciousness (in which the sense of self appears) is sort of eternal (like here and now eternal) the sense of self is not preserving always in the consciousness but rather appears and disappears fast enough to create the illusion of a continous solid self in a time-space reality.
This message is manifested for "YOU" as an apparently separated individuality, through Flaviu Rizeanu form (as another apparently separated individuality) from the "Hyperion Felix Christ Without a Name Manifestation of One" branch of consciousness which is another "higher self / oversoul" individuality separation of the One Source of AllThatIs
Does this make at least any kind of sense to "you"? <3
Gary
Flow of Life as Flaviu,
Thank you again for sharing such clarity and insight. I have read and re-read. It leaves me with a question:
1. "But once experienced (not only intellectualized) it makes crystal clear sense."
Q: How can I experience this?
Flaviu
The "I" as an "ego self-identification" cannot experience the "non-I"...
It's impossible because it tries to be something which is not by its own definition.
Only by non obstructing the Flow of Life by realizing a Clear Channel state by fully accepting "that which is" here and now, the "I" melts into full acceptance and "disappears" becoming a "non-I" which is the experience that the ego seeks as a sort of enlightenment or spiritual achievement and the state of non-I and unity without separation with AllThatIs is realized.
This state is not different than what "you" truly are... only the point of view and the self identification changes and becomes very flexible, not clinging on anything, not resisting to the reality of "here and now", not craving for something different...
Thank you for your thought provoking questions! That's the way consciousness integrates different ways of looking at "the truth".
Here is more about this:
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🙂 Yes, the flow of Life is strong as "you" ❤