Agreement to Kill

This post is a conversation thread between Marcel B and myself which currently takes place in the Practical Metaphysics discussion group on Facebook.

It began with Marcel's post in which he states:

You can't kill anything,
regardless of the anything,
without their agreement
to be killed.

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​Marcel B
The Universe operates only though systems of agreement, not opposition. All electromagnetic energy aligns with this truth.

Gary R. Smith
The Universe... whatever that means.... the underlying cooperative networks of conscious particles.... operate through systems of agreement. The human world... that is something else. We are biologically a part of the natural universe, but in our conditioned minds and social systems are apart from it. Human actions are mostly not aligned with natural systems.

M. - Perhaps Gary that is one perception but human actions are completely aligned with natural systems of consciousness within our planet and Universe. If they were not then they would not exist. We can only align with the consciouness reflected back to us based on what we emit. Our biology and DNA field is a direct consequence of these systems which we create. Nobody creates them for us. The wars, violence, poverty, corruption, greed, etc are created as much by you as they are by the collective. It is a collective energy and it does not happen without energy (even if unconscious) being driven towards a system which we all agree to. That is human societies in general. When we say the Universe it means all that is, source energy, God.

G - That is a tricky one. Certainly it is not something I would accept as a general statement of truth. It doesn't even make sense, on the surface. How many 'things' are killed without agreeing to be killed? Most, I would say. It also seems a dangerous idea for someone who is borderline, who would take it as freedom to kill because 'whatever' they kill must already have agreed to be killed. No, I am not in alignment with this. But... I am open to reading other perspectives.

M. - Gary so awesome to see you in this group. I've missed our discussions.

Agreements can occur at several levels of awareness but I will explain it as I did another another comment......The 3D perspective is one that struggles to see beyond the physical self. One that is so immersed in the separation of duality that it cannot obtain a higher perspective to see the horizon in all its majesty.

On a conscious level one who perceives themselves only as a victim would not be ok with it because they cannot relate to the grand system in which they play. So they can't see beyond what they are in their current physical body or relate to what they were before it. There is a disconnection between themselves and the person they perceive is a perpetrator. They don't see the perpetrator as themselves, but rather as something separate from what they are.

For example, there is constant battle within the body between good bacteria and bad bacteria, both of which are needed to keep the human body alive. Neither are good or bad but we label them as such because of their function. Yet they maintain a perfect homeostatic balance according to their agreed programming. The balance between the victim and the perpetrator is a necessary one at all times.

Hitler killed millions yet it was a necessary measure that generated compassion throughout the world changing the paradigm of human cleansing and dictatorships as we know it. Chaos operating at lower levels of consciousness create harmony at higher levels. But all are agreements. In the quantum reality that is our existence, there can be absolutely no disagreement between a victim and their perpetrator and the experience they share or it would never happen at all.

What a human being perceives from the egoic self is a totally different story since interpretations of our reality beyond the physical body deal with the egoic mind, not the true nature of what we are.

G - {The 3D perspective is one that struggles to see beyond the physical self. One that is so immersed in the separation of duality that it cannot obtain a higher perspective to see the horizon in all its majesty.}

True. I get what you are saying.

{On a conscious level one who perceives themselves only as a victim would not be ok with it because they cannot relate to the grand system in which they play. So they can't see beyond what they are in their current physical body or relate to what they were before it. There is a disconnection between themselves and the person they perceive is a perpetrator. They don't see the perpetrator as themselves, but rather as something separate from what they are.}

A few years ago on the Canary Islands my briefcase with laptop, passport and wallet was stolen. It stranded my wife and I in Spain with little cash. Yet I valued the learning experience because I came to realize I had helped to create it with my attitudes. Killing, that is different. Even if all you are saying about the higher perspective is exactly so, the idea that nothing can be killed without already having agreed to be killed is dangerous in human society and does not lead to conscious evolution.

{For example, there is constant battle within the body between good bacteria and bad bacteria, both of which are needed to keep the human body alive. Neither are good or bad but we label them as such because of their function. Yet they maintain a perfect homeostatic balance according to their agreed programming. The balance between the victim and the perpetrator is a necessary one at all times. Hitler killed millions yet it was a necessary measure that generated compassion throughout the world changing the paradigm of human cleansing and dictatorships as we know it.}

Is this the only way compassion can be generated? By extremes?

{Chaos operating at lower levels of consciousness create harmony at higher levels. But all are agreements. In the quantum reality that is our existence, there can be absolutely no disagreement between a victim and their perpetrator and the experience they share or it would never happen at all.}

Again, I understand what you are saying. But it does not square with my feeling that in this world, much of what happens is out of alignment with the quantum reality which underlies it. My dad enjoyed flying planes partly because it removed him from the chaos of the world. Distancing ourselves from the chaos may be soothing, it may feel good, but it does not change the disturbance on the planet. Yes, perhaps from a quantum reality which is so far removed from our daily experience that it is for most nothing more than an abstract concept, all is in perfect harmony. But that is not where most of us live, and we are just buying into another illusion if we use it as an excuse to change nothing.

M. - GS: Even if all you are saying about the higher perspective is exactly so, the idea that nothing can be killed without already having agreed to be killed is dangerous in human society and does not lead to conscious evolution.

MB: If we must label the concept as dangerous, it simply shows another angle we are coming from in the right/wrong paradigm of belief. If we can't allow a consciousness to express itself because we perceive it as dangerous, then first we're not embracing that we are the creator of our own reality and second that divinity plots its course according the perfect synchronicity in our very lives. Might as well pack it up and live under a rock because you're not in control. ??

GS: Is this the only way compassion can be generated? By extremes?

MB: Often yes, it is indeed one of the best ways. Check out what happened on 9/11 with Princeton’s Global Consciousness Project
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/papers/jseNelson.pdf.

GS: Again, I understand what you are saying. But it does not square with my feeling that in this world, much of what happens is out of alignment with the quantum reality which underlies it. My dad enjoyed flying planes partly because it removed him from the chaos of the world. Distancing ourselves from the chaos may be soothing, it may feel good, but it does not change the disturbance on the planet. Yes, perhaps from a quantum reality which is so far removed from our daily experience that it is for most nothing more than an abstract concept, all is in perfect harmony. But that is not where most of us live, and we are just buying into another illusion if we use it as an excuse to change nothing.

MB: I understand Gary. The quantum reality is the same one in which we live. It is completely aligned with our daily experience and it is where we all experience our lives. Perhaps the biggest misconception is that we don't live there. You are a multi-dimensional quantum being that creates every femtosecond of your reality. If you perceive it as an another illusion then in this interpretation you will define your world. Transcending the right/wrong paradigm is not a far out belief, nirvana or something unattainable. It's what allows the human to accept that all perspectives are truths. It's what allows the human to see that good/bad are one in the same energy expressing itself in the poles of duality. It's what we have designed for ourselves to recognize. Gary there comes a time when the exploration of new paths involves immersing ourselves in the scenarios which make them a possibility where we can pull them into our reality. If you always consider topics of this nature philosophy and not practical metaphysics then that is where it will remain...something we only talk about instead of walking through.

G. - {.... human actions are completely aligned with natural systems of consciousness within our planet and Universe. If they were not then they would not exist.}

Okay. 

{We can only align with the consciousness reflected back to us based on what we emit. Our biology and DNA field is a direct consequence of these systems which we create. Nobody creates them for us. }

Tell me again, who are 'we'? Heartstone, a stone I have been talking with, refers to themselves in the plural as a cooperative network of conscious particles. Is that something like what you mean as 'we'?

{The wars, violence, poverty, corruption, greed, etc are created as much by you as they are by the collective.}

I guess you mean 'created by me' on a level of which the occurrence of me typing this response is not aware.

{It is a collective energy and it does not happen without energy (even if unconscious) being driven towards a system which we all agree to. That is human societies in general. When we say the Universe it means all that is, source energy, God.}

Yes, that is often how I've used the word Universe, rather than as the material universe seen through a telescope. Actually, Heartstone said something similar as in these Search results on the Whole Human blog:

Heartstone 003
a feeling. With thought, there is contraction, with feeling there can be expansion. Agreement and cooperation between the nets may be difficult for humans to understand. The conscious, cooperative particle networks serve the Whole Net. The nets co-exist on

Heartstone 012
will not bend to your will, though your scientists may manipulate individual particles. Our cooperation with you will be one of equality, respect, mutual agreement and cooperation which serves the whole. We only work with humans who are in an open state. To the fifth, there have ...

Heartstone 011
The observer can only merge from a state of mind that is humble, transparent, free of expectation, vulnerable and trusting. Merging happens by agreement and cooperation over the frequency bandwidth of intuitive feeling.

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I enjoyed the robust and insightful discussions with you and Rod on CE also. I've been more engaged in writing for Whole Human and practicing in daily life what I write. Good to see you here, Marcel.

M. - See Gary this is why I miss are convos. Excellent. <3

GS: Tell me again, who are 'we'? Heartstone, a stone I have been talking with, refers to themselves in the plural as a cooperative network of conscious particles. Is that something like what you mean as 'we'?

MB: Yes. Humans are a cooperative network of fractals which go back to one soul with Gaia.

GS: I guess you mean 'created by me' on a level of which the occurrence of me typing this response is not aware.

MB: Yes, it resides within your consciousness and is an intimate part of what you are without realizing it. So consciously while a person may never consent to creating a physical war, at other levels, subconscious and beyond they may process duality in a way that separates right and wrong into two categories where they cannot make them one. This is part of the egoic self which finds safety in separation and an alliance with a segregated consciousness. It is more willing to create conflict outside itself because it doesn't see outside itself as it-self. And from there a contribution is made which the collective pulls from to generate fear. We all have this to an extent...some much more than others.

GS: ...We only work with humans who are in an open state.

MB: Hmmm...I would love to learn more about how they define this open state.

GS: ...Merging happens by agreement and cooperation over the frequency bandwidth of intuitive feeling.

MB: Absolutely. Agreement is a fundamental concept in the nature of the Universe. All electromagnetic energy reflects this. All bonds are made in agreement, not opposition. And we cannot bond with any person or experience, whether we perceive them as good or bad, without having a a very special portion of our own unique emitting frequency somewhere within that experience.

G. - MB: Hmmm...I would love to learn more about how they define this open state.

Marcel,

Here is one of the conversations with Heartstone in which they talk about the open state (linked below to reduce redundancy.)

6/15/2017
Heartstone 003

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