A response to my META-STATE post shows how any approach to experiencing oneness consciousness over the intellect, beliefs, teachings, trainings or techniques (such as meditation) keeps the seeker in a seeking...not finding enough...not being satisfied loop.
It also shows the ineffectiveness of pointing at what is beyond separation, from a place of separation and ego-identification.
For this realization, the non-existent I, or rather the flow of life as me, is grateful.
COMMENT ON META-STATE
Questions [fragments from a longer self inquiry by Gary R. Smith] answered below by HFCwanMoO through #flaviuRizeanu
Q [Gary]: [...] is the self preserving after death? Is the consciousness eternal?
A [ #HFCwanMoO through flaviu rizeanu]:
Yes, your insight is deep.. the only perspective which is not described in your introspection and analysis (maybe because it was not experienced directly by your sense of self-identity) is the one which points at the non-I / no-mind / no-Self...
When Oneness is experienced at first hand, the sense of self-identification "I am this but I am not that" disappears because, as you intellectually understand, there is no separation in Oneness. This experience reveals that all the illusions are based upon the first illusion of separation: the self identity as being separated from everything else. So.. one realizes (from this perspective) that there is no actual Self (separated from AllThatIs) but the next logical question that arises to mind is: "but who or what is that which observes the illusion of the self being separated from AllThatIs?" And this question like any other question asked and answered in duality (as not in Oneness) has 2 opposite answers:
- either there is a sense of self (the vessel of consciousness in which everything arises and dissolves including any self-identification with any form)
- or any sense of self is an illusion and the self identification process is just a function of the "AllThatIs Oneness consciousness"
In both cases there is and there is not a sense of self simultaneously -- depending on how the self identification function is defined.
From this perspective which holds as valid both of apparently opposite truths, it looks like even while a human being is alive, is also not alive, is living and dying in the same time, and the self can be identified with the human form or with the AllThatIs form... or with "no-I" / "no - self " form which is impersonal and detached...
The consciousness just is. The self (as a self identification function of the counciusness) appears and disappears based on the specifics of the consciousness flow.
Hope this "point of view" will add itself to the existing ones and make some sense in your quest of integrating a 360 degree perspective for the self "you" identify "yourself" with.
I've use quotes on "you" and "yourself" terms just to suggest also the non-I / no self perspective that "I" maintain while expressing a no self perspective through a self-identification perspective which apparently separates "us"...
This must be experienced... these words can only point to the no-I / no-Self / no mind in which Oneness is revealed as AllThatIs without separation (with the sense of self being present and absent simultaneously)
So your question about if "a sense of self is preserved after the death of the human body", can be answered while you are still alive... you self define yourself as a human body (and soul).. while you already are a AllThatIs conciusness in which all the forms arise and dissolute... from this point of view by only shifting the definition of what and who you are you already answered in your question... only the assumption that you are a soul that has a human body or a solid "I am" is keeping the illusion that a self identity can dissolute or not at the death of the human body.
But if you understand and know that you are not only the human body but the experience of this reality as it is, then the question receives an answer because you already shifted your identification from a human body to a "reality body of AllThatIs" and this happened while you were still identified also with the human body.. it's an interesting paradox quite difficult to wrap your mind around intellectually if you think with absolute values of truth and false instead of thinking with relative systems of belief as flexible references. But once experienced (not only intellectualized) it makes crystal clear sense.
Regarding your question "is consciousness eternal"?
The question is somehow wrong because it implies a sense of time (eternal = everlasting in time) while the consciousness is only one moment here and now without the illusion of continuous time... in the only present moment there is a memory of the "past" but more like a story in the present that gives "you" a frame and context to self identify in the convention of the space-time story... So.. while consciousness is always here and now and thus may appear eternal, the sense of self identification is not eternal and is not continuous as humans assume... the concept of past and future lifes (identities) as belonging to oneSelf (oversoul) is a spiritual concept which does not integrate the "no-self" perspective thus still preserving separation.
Also humans define personalities for one body just to justify that "the same I am" can act differently at different moments in time... when actually there are different "I am" that manifest differently (they actually appear and disappear) and create the illusion of personalities of a single fixed "I am" which persists and changes/looks and acts differently over time...
The human form as body and mind shifts continuously every moment through countless dimensions creating the illusion of continuous time and the illusion (reality) of a solid space and self.
Sometimes the self-identification function of the consciousness identifies itself with "I am" and sometimes with "I am not" like in death coma or deep sleep, sleep walking or acting as "not being myself"... thus concluding that while the consciousness (in which the sense of self appears) is sort of eternal (like here and now eternal) the sense of self is not preserving always in the consciousness but rather appears and disappears fast enough to create the illusion of a continous solid self in a time-space reality.
This message is manifested for "YOU" as an apparently separated individuality, through Flaviu Rizeanu form (as another apparently separated individuality) from the "Hyperion Felix Christ Without a Name Manifestation of One" branch of consciousness which is another "higher self / oversoul" individuality separation of the One Source of AllThatIs
Does this make at least any kind of sense to "you"? <3
Flow of Life as Flaviu,
Thank you again for sharing such clarity and insight. I have read and re-read. It leaves me with a question:
1. "But once experienced (not only intellectualized) it makes crystal clear sense."
Q: How can I experience this?
The "I" as an "ego self-identification" cannot experience the "non-I"...
It's impossible because it tries to be something which is not by its own definition.
Only by non obstructing the Flow of Life by realizing a Clear Channel state by fully accepting "that which is" here and now, the "I" melts into full acceptance and "disappears" becoming a "non-I" which is the experience that the ego seeks as a sort of enlightenment or spiritual achievement and the state of non-I and unity without separation with AllThatIs is realized.
This state is not different than what "you" truly are... only the point of view and the self identification changes and becomes very flexible, not clinging on anything, not resisting to the reality of "here and now", not craving for something different...
Thank you for your thought provoking questions! That's the way consciousness integrates different ways of looking at "the truth".
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🙂 Yes, the flow of Life is strong as "you" ❤